venom injectors warning

[supramad77]

Thanks to Gort for the PM regarding this matter. I think a general warning is required regarding these injectors from TLF. Sounds like a lot of people are getting faulty goods which are damaging there engines. I think maybe they should be removed from the forum to stop further customers getting bad injectors. Some of the discriptions were exactly what happened to me. I am waiting for new set to be delivered now but wonder what to do with them as i am conviced that they will also be faulty having read this.


http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393612&page=1&pp=25

[Summit]

Yes, do not buy these injectors, this is a beat issue on two other forums. The injectors are not flow matched very well. You may be pig rich on one cylinder and lean on another.

[Darket]

Yeah its being delt with .. expect a forum announcement shortly

[supramad77]

What shall i do with mine when they arrive. They cost me $330 which is not pocket change. I don't think Thomas will want to refund me my money. He already said that before.

[Darket]

What shall i do with mine when they arrive. They cost me $330 which is not pocket change. I don't think Thomas will want to refund me my money. He already said that before.
Have them flow checked .. then get a set of pte or rc 550's and chase tlf via ebay and if that fails legal action

[Bondango]

Pat at the time TLF came in the forum, there were no horror stories as most people where at the "suck it and see" stage. I touhed lucky when mine where flow tested, but this cost me an extra £80. pushing the price into PTE and RC territory. And TLF had just setup when they came on here - their work was probably 100% as they only covered toyotas at the time, but now they modify every injector known.

I did post the findings up recently from the broad user base around the globe which was - no go. Some people touched lucky, some didnt.

and i did try my best to negotiate a refund on your behalf from them, but to no avial - they basically didnt care.

[supramad77]

I don't blame you Marty, you pays your money you takes your chance at the end of the day. I just don't want anyone else to get cought by there people. If anyone knows of a place that will fow test them for a resonable price i would be glad to here from them. The place i asked in Plymouth wanted £120. To me it seems like dead money cos if they fail the test then they are scrap anyway i and i will have lost a further stack of cash.
Anyone know what the 550's are meant to flow. I have a mate who might be able to do them but he needs to know what the flow rate is first.

[Bondango]

test them for 520 +/- 10cc's at 45psi - that should be a good enough ball park

[supramad77]

Thanks Marty

UOTE=Bondango]test them for 520 +/- 10cc's at 45psi - that should be a good enough ball park[/QUOTE]

[Summit]

Too bad all the places I know to test them are over here. Someone on another forum had Venoms tested and they flowed anywhere from 490 to 620 within the 6 injectors that he purchased. Imagine what is bad about this. Your tail pipe a/f ratios might show a correct mixture after yo tune your motor because of the average of all 6 out one exhaust pipe. But on each cylinder, you would have some running lean and some running too rich. Once you have your flow check, they may all be close enough to run ok in your car and you will be fine. If they are all over the chart, then try trading some of your miss matched ones with someone else in the same boat as you. Then both parties will have closer matching injectors. Good luck

Rich

[majic79]

check out www.emeraldm3d.com (http://www.emeraldm3d.com) the guy there who makes the emerald ECU also has facilities to flow test injectors as well as clean them (de-varnish them) not compared his prices against anyone else's but he might be worth a try

[Stu_22]

I have one of his ECU's on my corsa and they are god people to deal with

[mrroverrover]

Well I'm stuffed then cos I've had a set of venoms sitting here waiting to be fitted for about a year! Bit late for a refund now :(

[Nod]

Bugger, I have the 880cc Venoms in mine. I do have the facility in the Link G2 ECu to map each injector in 3D individually (But feck that for a game of soldiers). Good job they cost me nowt, time for a set of RC 1000's.

Nod.

[taffy turbo]

Bugger, I have the 880cc Venoms in mine. I do have the facility in the Link G2 ECu to map each injector in 3D individually (But feck that for a game of soldiers). Good job they cost me nowt, time for a set of RC 1000's.

Nod.go on rub it in free injectors

[Bondango]

TBH a lot of engine builders will flow test brand new injectors too, so it may be worth paying the x amount if you look at it that way.

[Nod]

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_Sets.asp

1600cc Indy Injectors, Brand New, set of 6 $380 :eek:

Now that is cheap (£250 with VAT and TAX).

Nod.

[Bondango]

just a bit overkill Nod - you just like big numbers dont ya? lol

[Sean]

Well I'm stuffed then cos I've had a set of venoms sitting here waiting to be fitted for about a year! Bit late for a refund now :(
thats 2 of us then mate :banghead: :rant:

[Darket]

Like myself and dingdango have said, get them flow tested before you write them off .... from what it seems there seem to be many satisfied customers out there that havent had a problem

[Sean]

Like myself and dingdango have said, get them flow tested before you write them off .... from what it seems there seem to be many satisfied customers out there that havent had a problem
Trying to sort that out mate been quoted £9 each over in Derbyshire

[timmysturbo]

so how do you match injector flow rates then??

[Darket]

so how do you match injector flow rates then??
The injectors .. if good .. should all flow more or less exactly the same .. you as the installer shouldent have to do anything as such

[timmysturbo]

no sorry i meant how do they flow match them??

[Darket]

no sorry i meant how do they flow match them??
Its done when the nossles are machined .. Venom are reflowed oem injectors which requires basically drilling out the injectors to flow at an increased rate (its a little more complex than that) .. in venoms case its poor QC as when an injector is machined it should be flow checked and if out of spec corrected

[Bondango]

Trying to sort that out mate been quoted £9 each over in Derbyshire

Sean if that works out (good job, flow sheets etc etc) , ask them would they do them for the club, and could members post them and would they post them back (at cost of course). Would be worth having for members

[supramad77]

I have had a reply from Thomas defending his position today do you want me to post his comments on here.

[Bondango]

yeah may aswell have it in the public domain

[JSeaman]

I'm in Derbyshire if you want any assistance - pop over if you're in the area Sean, you can have a ncei cup of tea then I'll ban you from my house :)

[Sean]

I'm in Derbyshire if you want any assistance - pop over if you're in the area Sean, you can have a ncei cup of tea then I'll ban you from my house :)


:notworthy :notworthy

[supramad77]

OK here are his two emails. BTW mine have arrived. Still have to collect them from the post office i was out.

Pat to let you know every one on that list has been refunded accept for
rainwater and I am waiting for his injectors. 2 of the guys on the list
never even took them out of the wrapper they just sent them back.
All I can say is that talk is cheap and so are words, what they wrote is not
right most of it was BS.I have since pulled my sponsor ship of that forum
because of the BS.
To clarify things.
1.I am only the distributor I send them out I do not open the boxes.
2.Venom is still in operation they are out of California.
3. I get shipments of injectors from them twice a week.
4. I wish I could buy for the prices the one guy said.
5.I wish I could buy there surplus but they do not have any.
6. Check out JEGS and several other places like Horsepowerfreaks and several
others you will fine they also sell Venoms.
7. The gentleman from Canada bought the injectors and pump and then sent
them back 3 weeks later demanding a refund because he had heard they were
bad injectors from Venom.I personally tested them and they were all fine.
If you need parts of this conversation from the guy from Canada let me know
because I have them all.
I am a business man that started this company 1.5 years ago because I needed
injectors for my 89 Turbo Supra I bought a set of RC's and they did not
atomize right and I ask for a refund and was told they have a out the door
warranty meaning wants you buy them you are stuck.
I am a fair business man but malice words from people like that on the forum
are not nice.
If you feel I have wronged you let me know, I try to be fair with everyone.
A great man wants said be careful of rumors and words,they will only take
you down the wrong path.
Thanks for your time
Thomas Folder


Hi Thomas, I have been given a link to supraforums site which I found
> quite disturbing.
> It involves lots of problems with your injectors not flowing correct
> amounts of fuel and being stuck open. By the description of some of these
> guys it is the same as what happened to me. I don't have the new ones yet
> but I am now afraid to fit them without them being flow tested first which
> is going to cost me about £100 over here.
> I think you should read the thread as there are a lot of unhappy people
> on there and word is spreading to other forums. Not telling you how to run
> your business but if you don't sort it out you will not be selling
> anywhere on supra forums again.
>
> http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393612&page=1&pp=25 (http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393612&page=1&pp=25)
>
> Regards
> Pat

I looked back on my notes when it came to John Drysdale he did put them in
his Supra because they came back with dirt in the screens.When I cleaned
them they were fine.
Thanks for listening to me
Thomas Folder
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[Summit]

Most of the better injector manufacturers will make sure that your set of injectors all flow with in 1% of each other or better. Then they go as far as to mark the flow rate right on the injector and include a flow chart from the test with the injectors. for my motor it would be RC, or Precision injectors (PTE Lucus).

[MKIII]

Sean has just had his tested
using an ultrasonically cleaned 440 as a base, all six of the venoms were equal to each other, and they flowed 25% more than the 440.

i had 2 sets off tlf a good 12 months ago, sean ended up with one and marty had the other, so then at least venom were selling decent injectors

[Nod]

My 880cc Venoms seemed to work ok after all the scare mongering. The plugs and the manifold runners all matched in appearance and showed no det and stable AFR's so I think it's just a few pi55ed off punters having a collective bitch.

Nod.

[Sean]

Sean has just had his tested
using an ultrasonically cleaned 440 as a base, all six of the venoms were equal to each other, and they flowed 25% more than the 440.

i had 2 sets off tlf a good 12 months ago, sean ended up with one and marty had the other, so then at least venom were selling decent injectors

How happy am I now :D :D

[Bondango]

Been happy with a the sets ive had, and now that i've nothing to do with the trading side of things here, i can ow openly recommend them as an affordable upgrade..if in doubt..av them checked :umm:

[Dino]

i'll be having mine check just for piece of mind, and as there's 12 here can make up 2 sets of the cloest matching lol

[Leviathan]

so they are good enough or not,??

that still sound "sacry" (don't really want to blow the engine)

[supramad77]

so they are good enough or not,??

that still sound "sacry" (don't really want to blow the engine)

Have not tested mine yet, will in the new year.