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adi
16-07-04, 04:42 PM
hmm.. these ones are coming up for sale quite often.. i'm wondering whats wrong with them and why they're so cheap..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7910686585&category=33742

PS, no good to you 7M lot :D pipework wrong side..

Nick@TC
16-07-04, 04:57 PM
That's an R33 GTR cooler by the looks of it, the same one that Adam runs, get them over here for around £200.

Bondango
16-07-04, 05:28 PM
I ended up ordering one from ausy land down under, worked out at £190 shipped
http://i3.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/0a/93/c2_1.JPG

imoyes
16-07-04, 10:42 PM
That's an R33 GTR cooler by the looks of it, the same one that Adam runs, get them over here for around £200.

G.T mentioned R33 intercoolers to me recently. What's the deal with that then?

Is the Skyline IC bigger than the MKIIIs?

How much?

What kind of difference will it make to the car?

Could you fit it?

How much would you be looking at for a hard pipe set up for it?

For £200 if it makes a significant difference it's almost not worth not doing. Did that make sense? :cheeky: You know what I mean. :yes:

Nick@TC
17-07-04, 12:35 AM
It'll make a big difference.
The skyline boys chuck them away when they reach 400-500bhp, Adam's still planning on running with it, even with mighty hp output.
Yep, the GTR R33 IC is much bigger than ours, it only just fits.
Cost, around £200
Yes we can fit it.
Cost wise, fitting only, with stainless shiny hardpipes, silicone fittings e.t.c e.t.c you'd be looking at around £400. It's alot of work, but defo worth the benefits, especially on higher than stock boost.

Lofty
17-07-04, 11:08 AM
What kind of difference will it make to the car?
Performancewise the IC itself will not show any real difference on the road, it may even add some lag, even though the air will be more dense going into the cylinder. Your engine and turbo will be under less stress than with the standard IC as the intake charge will be cooler. What this will do is allow you to safely run more boost without increasing the risk of detonation as much as with the stock IC. So to get a performance increase you need to increase the boost.

Nick@TC
17-07-04, 11:20 AM
Performancewise the IC itself will not show any real difference on the road,


Not so Carl, you can feel the difference quite considerably. I've fitted a few now, some stockish cars, some highly modded, always a difference.

Perhaps, theoretically it shouldn't, but it's one of those times that you need to do it in real life to be able to judge the differences.

MKS
17-07-04, 01:52 PM
you could probally fit it yourself with some sillcone piping...

ok not as nice as a hard pipe but it can be done...

I helped custom fit a mk3 supra intercooler to my mates 200sx. Yes it took a bit of work but we got there in the end..

If u want the nice and shiny hard pipes go with nick or if u think u have enough skill to sort it with sillycoen pipe then do it that way :) just remember there wil lbe a lot of pressure going through those pipes..

Adam W
19-07-04, 09:03 AM
I put in on my car when it was BPU running 18psi on a hybrid turbo, the difference was night and day. The engine felt SO much free-er above 4000rpm, any difference in lag was totally imperceptible, even with the long runs of pipe you need to fit it.

Lofty
19-07-04, 10:12 AM
Not so Carl, you can feel the difference quite considerably. I've fitted a few now, some stockish cars, some highly modded, always a difference.

Perhaps, theoretically it shouldn't, but it's one of those times that you need to do it in real life to be able to judge the differences.
Did you just change the IC or did you change the IC piping too? Obviously you replaced the whole package. My point was that at the stock boost levels (8psi ish) that Ian is running at the performance gain from a bigger IC is not going to be as much as improving the pipework itself. If you could just change the IC without replacing the pipework then it is unlikely that you would see/feel a benefit on the road, although on a dyno there may be a measurable increase, especially if heatsoak is considered.

I put in on my car when it was BPU running 18psi on a hybrid turbo, the difference was night and day. The engine felt SO much free-er above 4000rpm, any difference in lag was totally imperceptible, even with the long runs of pipe you need to fit it.
18psi on hybrid is going to produce a lot more heat than standard boost and you will therefore get a more significant gain from a bigger IC. As I said in my post you would need to run increased boost to take advantage of a replacement IC.

Adam W
19-07-04, 11:39 AM
Yep, I thought we were still talking about Adis car which is pretty well modded.

Lofty
19-07-04, 11:47 AM
Yep, I thought we were still talking about Adis car which is pretty well modded.
It won't make any difference to Adi's car because he doesn't drive it anyway. :duck:

and it's white :ewww:

adi
19-07-04, 11:47 AM
like i say, i just thought they were a good price.. 165.

i know they'd be quite a step up from the 7M intercooler, but have no idea how much better than the 1JZ intercooler.. probably still quite a bit more i would have thought.. seem a lot bigger. They're coming up for sale quite often now.

Lofty
19-07-04, 12:00 PM
like i say, i just thought they were a good price.. 165.

i know they'd be quite a step up from the 7M intercooler, but have no idea how much better than the 1JZ intercooler.. probably still quite a bit more i would have thought.. seem a lot bigger. They're coming up for sale quite often now.

Seems to me that there is quite a bit of space to be had behind the bumper of a UK car by only moving a few items (oil coolers, expansion bottle, horns,etc. I presume the Jap spec ones are similar. One thing to consider may be that the bumper reinforcement will shroud part of a taller IC so it may be better to go longer and narrower.

Build quality should not be an issue with an OEM IC such as the example you show and you will end up with a happier engine and more HP with your hybrids. How are you getting on with your fuel-cut/boost creep problem?

adi
19-07-04, 12:43 PM
still got the boost cut.. turbo technics had the turbos back a few weeks back for a wastegate enlargement, so the turbos are now working as they should.. but this didn't help my problem. Its better, but still quite bad. The only way round it is to do it properly, byt bigger map and injectors.. but to be honest i'm rapidly losing interest in the car.. but hopefully its only a temporary moment of insanity .....

Adam W
19-07-04, 01:25 PM
The problem is with Mk3's, when they're not running right is exactly when you need to dump large amounts of cash into em. And that's when they've already pissed you off big time by not running right! So it can be hard to keep motivated when you can't drive them and they're costing you ****loads. I am told it's worth it though! :)