View Full Version : Side lights with out lights up?
Stuart B
10-08-04, 08:29 PM
is it possible to do this, I think at dusk it might look quite good to have the pop ups down , but have the side lights on.
Stu
mrroverrover
10-08-04, 08:32 PM
is it possible to do this, I think at dusk it might look quite good to have the pop ups down , but have the side lights on.
Stu
It does look very good :yes: and mine does that as standard :D
I think its year dependant, mines a '90.
Same as Ben mine do it already :) :)
Stuart B
10-08-04, 08:39 PM
oooh ya gets! lol
mine is an 89 F
Stu
black 86 supra
10-08-04, 08:40 PM
,ome do too on the na, havn't checked the turbo yet though
,ome do too on the na, havn't checked the turbo yet though
Translation is mine do too on the n/a :duck: Dave they should on ya turbo
black 86 supra
10-08-04, 08:43 PM
Translation is mine do too on the n/a :duck: Dave they should on ya turbo
WTF happened there then, oh i know, I was sat in the dark :)
ok cheers mate
Stuart B
10-08-04, 09:07 PM
whats up with mine then hehe
Its the facelift shape
Stu
The 89 T i sold to Dino has the same problem, side light and mains come on, whereas my 89 T sidelight work seperatley.
Les's E reg N/A won't do it either, side lights and mains come up?? and again my old D reg N/a worked side lights on their own.
i think it was dependant on which little Jap engineer was wiring up your car and what day of the week it was :) :duck: lol
Stuart B
10-08-04, 10:07 PM
The 89 T i sold to Dino has the same problem, side light and mains come on, whereas my 89 T sidelight work seperatley.
Les's E reg N/A won't do it either, side lights and mains come up?? and again my old D reg N/a worked side lights on their own.
i think it was dependant on which little Jap engineer was wiring up your car and what day of the week it was :) :duck: lol
lmao
hehe
Stu
My 92 N/As lights work independently, and thanks to Marty (bondango) I can now also pop the headlights half-way up. :)
Other drivers probably think the lights are knackered, but i think it looks pretty cool :horse:
ive got to have my lights up for the side lights to be on :sad2: exept when i get out the car without main head lights on then they retract and the side lights stay on! mines a 87 d reg n/a auto
The 89 T i sold to Dino has the same problem, side light and mains come on, whereas my 89 T sidelight work seperatley.
Les's E reg N/A won't do it either, side lights and mains come up?? and again my old D reg N/a worked side lights on their own.
i think it was dependant on which little Jap engineer was wiring up your car and what day of the week it was :) :duck: lol
lol i been sitting in me bus all night wondering how to sort this at least i know the switch has conecters that should work them look like i may play later if i can get up some time before work.
My 92 N/As lights work independently, and thanks to Marty (bondango) I can now also pop the headlights half-way up. :)
Other drivers probably think the lights are knackered, but i think it looks pretty cool :horse:
how do you do that then???? :bigeyes:
Translation is mine do too on the n/a :duck: Dave they should on ya turbo
LOL! Thank God you're here we'd never make any sense of what he said. :)
Stuart B
11-08-04, 12:32 PM
mine behaves as describes here
http://www.brandwood.net/supra/handbook/1/4/headlight_and_turn_signal.html
So how come so many of yours operate the way I asked about hehe. Why would u want the lights up with them off? hmmmm hehe
Stu
Dillinger
11-08-04, 12:40 PM
in case they freeze, apparently :bigeyes: :)
Karma Supra
11-08-04, 12:52 PM
My uk spec 1990 turbo the lips popped up with the side lights, my JDM 88 TT the sidelights are independant, as with the MR2..
Its an old topic... and there seems to me no logic to it at all???
Does look good though, sides on, lights down...
according to the manual i got its supposed to be no action on the first turn side and headlight sides on then headlight full on. pain cos there's no way to pose with front farings on.
Karma Supra
11-08-04, 01:13 PM
All teh manuals say the same on teh matter, some cars do some don't, some are newwer, some are older.
totally nonsensicle (ooooooh good word)
for ultimate tart factor lights flapped down, sides and fogs on... (but not when driving, thats for saxo drivers)
My switch does:
1: Off.
2: Sides on.
3: Sides still on.
4: Heads on & up + sides.
3: Heads half lit & up + sides.
2: Heads off & down + sides.
1: Off.
It's a UK spec. late '90, Turbo, Auto.
supradupra.com
11-08-04, 06:50 PM
Have come across this before on a friends supra, on mine i can have just sides on without main heads popping up but on his the heads came up and half lit, it was some weird idea around f/g plate time for town driving, they called it dip-dim on fords. The lights come on dim because they are put through a large dropper resistor wen the switch is in the side light position.
To solve it we had to tinker with the integration relay, this is the one that controls wen the lights pop up etc, sits in the fuse box area, a plop to get too, cant remember for the life of me what we did, think i just took out a diode and that was it, without having another one to play with its a bit difficult! sorry...:banghead:
Will trawl the net and see wots out there, sure i have seen an article on this.
how do you do that then???? :bigeyes:
1 - turn the switch all the way on.(headlights up)
2 - turn it all the way off again.
*if yours are anything like mine, there'll be a delay before the lights retract.
3 as soon as you hear the motors starting to whirr, to bring the lights down, flick the switch 1 click in the "on" direction.(2 clicks if you want your sidelights on)
it's a bit tricky to time it right though:D
I cant believe you lot with UK models that dont do the "sides on / mains down" thing have put up with it - its gotta be a case of snipping one wire surely. and it looks so much cooler. If yer lights come up and stay off they must look broken!
My old 86na used to do all this perfectly, my newer 2.0TT has the worst of all aspects of the lighting arrangements - the little guy in the factory must have had a hell of a hang over when he done mine!
things to sort with my lights are :
1) sides are IN the headlights so no chance of leaving them down.
2) when pulling the stick for quick high beam flash headlights stay down
3) the high / low beam toggle is wrong way round - it should be pull toward u for high, push for low otherwise u cant flash the lights without going into high beam, which sorta defeats the object! is that the same for everyone?
3) the high / low beam toggle is wrong way round - it should be pull toward u for high, push for low otherwise u cant flash the lights without going into high beam, which sorta defeats the object! is that the same for everyone?
You push mine away from you for high beam and pull it towards you for headlight flash.
I was thinking about seeing if I could rewire the headlight flash so it flashes the front fogs instead of the headlamps. It takes an age for the headlamps to lift and flash, usually by then, the other driver got the message and I've usually let go the stalk by the time the lights are up anyway!
[QUOTE=imoyes]You push mine away from you for high beam and pull it towards you for headlight flash.
yeah thats the right way round. think i got it wrong in my post.
are the fogs bright enough to be used as a flash? I think using the pop up lights to flash is cool if u can do it right, but as you say they take a while. I used to pull the stick quickly to make them come up without light then flash the lights. (then they take ages to bugger off again)
are the fogs bright enough to be used as a flash?
:) I just put 6000K HID Xenon bulbs in my fogs and de-yellowed them. You can use them to signal the Space Shuttle! :)
1 - turn the switch all the way on.(headlights up)
2 - turn it all the way off again.
*if yours are anything like mine, there'll be a delay before the lights retract.
3 as soon as you hear the motors starting to whirr, to bring the lights down, flick the switch 1 click in the "on" direction.(2 clicks if you want your sidelights on)
it's a bit tricky to time it right though:D
:) he he just spent 1/2 hour playing with lights at different heights, but then it dawned on me that for the uninitiated (other drivers) it would look like my lights are broken, so that :ewww: on my fire
LOL!
I've just been looking back at this thread. :bigeyes:
15+ posts on the subject of "When do your side lights go on, relative to your headlights?".
How sad are we?!? :banghead:
LOL!
I've just been looking back at this thread. :bigeyes:
15+ posts on the subject of "When do your side lights go on, relative to your headlights?".
How sad are we?!? :banghead:
very!
i've not managed to get up early enough this week to play with it yet. damn snooker table at work keeps me there for hours once i finished.
ok i sorted my one now it's stupid easy any one could do it not sure if any thing else has stopped working but i have removed AM1 from the fuse box by the bat.
side's come on the second possition lights stay down
last click heads come up and on.
will go for drive now see if anything else don't work like the brakes????? lol
ok this works if you got the car running when u take it out the car won't start with out it
ideas??
AM1 = 40A fusable link in the ignition circuit.
So are you saying that on your car:
1st click = nothing (or headlamp maintenance mode)
2nd click = sidelights on, headlamps raised but not illuminated.
3rd click = sidelights and headlamps illuminated?
If so then you could either check for differences in the light switches between years or change the terminal that the headllamp motors connect to I guess.
AM1 = 40A fusable link in the ignition circuit.
So are you saying that on your car:
1st click = nothing (or headlamp maintenance mode)
2nd click = sidelights on, headlamps raised but not illuminated.
3rd click = sidelights and headlamps illuminated?
If so then you could either check for differences in the light switches between years or change the terminal that the headllamp motors connect to I guess.
no 2nd sidelights on headlamps down
(edit) basicly it does everything we want it to do with the AM1 out
except it won't start but is ok if car is started before you pull the AM1
no 2nd sidelights on headlamps down
That's what mine does, and what I thought you were trying to achieve. So what are you trying to get to happen then? What year is your car, Dino. What year is Stu's car? I have a circuit and relay pins for a 1990.
ok i seem to have confused thing bit
what was tring to do is
2nd click sidelights on head lights down
3rd click sidelights on head lights up an on
this is what happen's with the AM1 taken out only trouble is the car will not start with the fuse out. if the car is running before you remove the fuse it continues to run.
does that explain it better?
Yeah, I'm confused.
Earlier in the post Stu says that his lights act like in this (http://www.brandwood.net/supra/handbook/1/4/headlight_and_turn_signal.html) link. Are parking lights not the same as sidelights in this context? (ie do they only come on with the engine off?)
If this is the case maybe you can cut/rewire the wire that tells it the engine is running?
on mine
first click nothing
second click the sidelights next to the front turn signals come's on and the headlights raise and light up dimed.
third click the sidelights are on the headlights become brighter ie normal headlights.
on mine
first click nothing
second click the sidelights next to the front turn signals come's on and the headlights raise and light up dimed.
third click the sidelights are on the headlights become brighter ie normal headlights.
Ooo, thats nasty.
Is this with the engine running, ignition off, or doesn't it matter?
I'm thinking that we need to find a circuit from an 89 as I can't see how the headlights would be dimmed on the circuit for a 90.
Yeah, I'm confused.
Earlier in the post Stu says that his lights act like in this (http://www.brandwood.net/supra/handbook/1/4/headlight_and_turn_signal.html) link. Are parking lights not the same as sidelights in this context? (ie do they only come on with the engine off?)
If this is the case maybe you can cut/rewire the wire that tells it the engine is running?
I thought that parking lights wqere side lights + indicator with the ignition off?
it matters not to me what it does with engine off as i always turn me lights off. it's when the car is running theres a big resistor in the fuse box by the bat that has it in.
it's a real pain.
i tried with the dimmer relay out and all that happens is the lights pop up with out coming on.
at the moment i can't have any lights on with out the heads poping up and coming on as well, all be it dipped on the second click.
it matters not to me what it does with engine off
Ah, but what if the sides are on with the headlamp down when the engine is off? If that were the case then we could work out which wire told the relay/ECU that the engine was running and disconnect it. Then the lights would stay down because it would think that it was parked. Pure speculation on my part because mine doesn't behave like this. Might have other side effects. You have sort of confirmed that this will work by pulling the AM1 fuse earlier.
Ah, but what if the sides are on with the headlamp down when the engine is off? If that were the case then we could work out which wire told the relay/ECU that the engine was running and disconnect it. Then the lights would stay down because it would think that it was parked. Pure speculation on my part because mine doesn't behave like this. Might have other side effects. You have sort of confirmed that this will work by pulling the AM1 fuse earlier.
ok i just checked and yep your right the side's only come on with the engine off, now how do i work out which wire it is. lol
ok i just checked and yep your right the side's only come on with the engine off, now what lol
OK, here is where I get sketchy because I haven't done this on my car and I don't know where to look for the connector.
There is a light retractor relay. I think it will be in the passenger footwell. I can't work it out from the circuit but it I think it has 2 large multipole connectors one with 6 poles and one with 18 poles, or it may be that it connects to something else in this way.
I am guessing that either connectors 4/6 or 4/18 will be the ones to try and disconnect. Be careful because we may need to reconnect if I am wrong.
Best thing to do would be to meter the connection with the ignition off/lights on and ignition on/lights on first to confirm.
They are both male connectors. Pins are numbered from top-right to top-left, then bottom-right to bottom-left.
You also need to confirm that the main lights will work with this wire disconnected.
Does this help?
OK, here is where I get sketchy because I haven't done this on my car and I don't know where to look for the connector.
There is a light retractor relay. I think it will be in the passenger footwell. I can't work it out from the circuit but it I think it has 2 large multipole connectors one with 6 poles and one with 18 poles, or it may be that it connects to something else in this way.
I am guessing that either connectors 4/6 or 4/18 will be the ones to try and disconnect. Be careful because we may need to reconnect if I am wrong.
Best thing to do would be to meter the connection with the ignition off/lights on and ignition on/lights on first to confirm.
They are both male connectors. Pins are numbered from top-right to top-left, then bottom-right to bottom-left.
You also need to confirm that the main lights will work with this wire disconnected.
Does this help?
it may i'll go have a lil look. i'll let ya know how i get on cheers mate
Checking the EPC against the TRSM reveals that some models had a dim-dip relay in the driver's side kick panel. I wonder what will happen if it is not present? It is at the bottom, to the right of the round clutch starter relay. May not be present on later cars?
i couldn't find any thing in the passenger footwell that had 6 and 18 or even a six or 18 on it's own. any more ideas as to where it could be
i couldn't find any thing in the passenger footwell that had 6 and 18 or even a six or 18 on it's own. any more ideas as to where it could be
Sorry Dino, not something I have looked into before. The relay is shown on the EPC (http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/EPC/MKIII_NATO/291420/8401_3.html) as item 85964. The connector must be around that area I would have thought. Have you looked to see if you have a dim-dip relay in the other footwell? Item 82643 on the same page.
not yet mate trying to get some of the blood out my head from dodgy possitions i was in have look in a minute
any idea what this relay looks like?
any idea what this relay looks like?
Realy block No4 (http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/be/BE_014.html) it is next to relay C. It is not shown on the 1990 car but maybe on an 89?
ok i just had a look and the dim dip relay seems to take out the side's
think i'll just live with it for now i can't even rig the AM1 in some way cos it take's out nearly all the electrics i'm willing to try any thing else just not today i don't fit in the footwells very well. not at all really
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