Should I?

[Mark1G-GTE]

I may have the opportunity to buy a cheap 2JZ-GE as a mate is swapping it out for a TT in his mkiv. The question is, will it be worth swapping for my 1G?

I only use the Supra for drifting (95% anyway) and the 1G lacks torque lower down which can be a pain in the :horse:. On paper the figures are pretty similar but the 1G figures are for full boost (so 4K and above).

Before you all say if I'm going to swap it out then I may as well do it properly and go 2JZ-GTE or 1JZ or 1UZ. I'd love to but I don't have the money for those engines or an R154. The 2JZ NA will bolt on to my W58 so that's one less hassle.

Will the 2J give me a more even power band (or torque band) than the 1G and therefore be better for drifting, or shoud I spend the money on getting my adj cam gears and FCon set up on a rolling road and then leave it as is.

mods to the 1G are:
straight thro S/S exhaust
shimmed to ~1bar
Air filter
HKS BOV
FCon (all set to zero)
Adj cam gears (on zero)
newish plugs/leads,lamda.

Last rolling road it peaked at 235bhp.

[steve.82]

Yip, and throw a Vortech at it and keep the 1g diff ratio :)

[Martin P]

2jz it mate, would make it a bit front heavier,

[supramad77]

As i have a 2jzge in the lexus i am on the fence with this one. It's not that quick TBH. I know it's fitted in a lexus big luxury car but still it is quite slow to me.
Even the book list the 0.60 at over 9 seconds.
Maybe it's just down tot he drive train being 5 speed auto not sure but it's not a very quick motor IMO.

[adi]

The famous Sid went from a UK7MGTE to a 2JZGE mkiv, and said the 2JZ was a much better unit. Just as quick as his BPU 7MGTE , and much smoother and nicer in general.

Personally, i'd say.. possibly... if you dont mind the work.

[Mark1G-GTE]

Cool thanks for the replies guys. Still trying to decide what to do but your comments have helped.

Steve - you obviously didn't read the bit about me having no money! But yeah, a Vortech would be cool.

Adi - doing the swap wouldn't be too much of a problem. That's interesting it was faster than his BPU 7M-T, I didn't think they were that quick. More even power would be much more useful.

Watch this space, there may be a build thread on it's way :):):)

[Mark1G-GTE]

As i have a 2jzge in the lexus i am on the fence with this one. It's not that quick TBH. I know it's fitted in a lexus big luxury car but still it is quite slow to me.
Even the book list the 0.60 at over 9 seconds.
Maybe it's just down tot he drive train being 5 speed auto not sure but it's not a very quick motor IMO.

Sorry I forgot to say, I don't think the 1G would perform too well in a big saloon through an autobox either. But that is quite a slow 0-60 time.

hmmm, the pondering continues...

[steve.82]

Steve - you obviously didn't read the bit about me having no money! But yeah, a Vortech would be cool.

Plenty of 2nd handers on ebay for M3's etc

[Black Magic]

The famous Sid went from a UK7MGTE to a 2JZGE mkiv, and said the 2JZ was a much better unit. Just as quick as his BPU 7MGTE , and much smoother and nicer in general.

Personally, i'd say.. possibly... if you dont mind the work.

That 7M must have been dying on its feet for an N/A mk4 to be faster. 222hp and 200lbs/ft of torque v 260hp and 280lbs/ft (these are conservative numbers) I agree the 2J is far more refined but quicker?????

[adi]

Theres no way any of sids engines would be on their last legs :D bit of a spanner head was sid.
The thing is, he's had both, so had a good comparison.. where were only speculating.

he didnt say it was quicker.. just as quick.. but better all round. Smoother, better power delivery. He said it was a much better drive than the 7m in every way. Theres a world of difference between those 7M and JZ units.
For example, a BPU 7M will no way be comparible to a stock j-spec mkiv tt, despite having similar power figures. The 2JZ TT will kill it easily.

You've also gotta remember the mk3 is heavier than a mkiv.

[steve.82]

Maybe driving on the redline it would be as quick, changing gear at 3-4k rpm every shift I can't imagine there would be much comparison

[Mark1G-GTE]

But all I want is a good engine for drifting, so if the power delivery is better in a 2JZ-GE then that's what I want to go for. My 1G is pretty laggy. I've never driven a manual 7M-T but can't imagine it being much worse than mine, even though the twins are supposed to reduce lag (it's prob more noticable now i've shimmed the wastegates).

So if I was to put this 2J in, is it the same length as the 1G (or what I mean is will the gearbox stilll be in the same place or will I need to move it/change propshaft/diff etc)?

[steve.82]

I believe the 2jz-GE's still use a w58? Should be fine, engine is no longer than a 1jz (same bore, shorter stroke)

[Mark1G-GTE]

Yeah 2J-GE has W58. So all I need is 2J bell housing and everything else will be ok yeah? Or will the clutch mounting be different?

[supramad77]

No sure what stage of tuning my supra is but it is a bit more than BPU at around 310bhp but it would piss all over the lexus on acceleration. It is night and day between them. I agree about the smoothness though the 2jzge is very nice to drive.